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		<title>By: NKS Warrier</title>
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		<dc:creator>NKS Warrier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am of the opinion that while it is nice to see things from a corporate HR/inhouse HR viewpoint it is unfaair to castigate Recruitment firms beyond a point.HR has a tendency to be unduly prejudiced while dealing with Recruitment firms and take the term&quot;vendors&quot; a little too seriously- ie they view the latter as vendors who sell their wares and deserve to be treated as lesser beings. Not all Recruitment firms follow unethical practices.HR should be a little more sensitized while dealing with Recruitment firms which are run by experienced, senior people with corporate experience.
One has seen unresponsive HR who project requirements but show total lack of urgency in giving feedback and filling the vacant position- almost as if they are keeping the so called vendors amused.To see such unprofessional behaviour is extremely demoralizing for young recruiters who lose motivation and the desire to provide the desired levels of service.
Sp please- lets see both sides of the coin---</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am of the opinion that while it is nice to see things from a corporate HR/inhouse HR viewpoint it is unfaair to castigate Recruitment firms beyond a point.HR has a tendency to be unduly prejudiced while dealing with Recruitment firms and take the term&#8221;vendors&#8221; a little too seriously- ie they view the latter as vendors who sell their wares and deserve to be treated as lesser beings. Not all Recruitment firms follow unethical practices.HR should be a little more sensitized while dealing with Recruitment firms which are run by experienced, senior people with corporate experience.<br />
One has seen unresponsive HR who project requirements but show total lack of urgency in giving feedback and filling the vacant position- almost as if they are keeping the so called vendors amused.To see such unprofessional behaviour is extremely demoralizing for young recruiters who lose motivation and the desire to provide the desired levels of service.<br />
Sp please- lets see both sides of the coin&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: Failed It Grad / recruiter who escaped the Uk</title>
		<link>http://recruitmentdad.com/the-real-reason-hr-hate-recruiters-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Failed It Grad / recruiter who escaped the Uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 04:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having been on both sides of the table, (i.e the client side being slung millions of CVs that an agency hopes will stick and actually the one doing the slinging)and taking the time out of my life to complete a computer science degree, only to find that i had no access to computing jobs in the UK, due to the recruitment &quot;profession&quot;. Then deciding to jump in to this industry, (to find out how any group of people could live in such a warped existence to behave the way they do) i can honestly say the state recruiters live in is partially due to the recession.

in reality, a number of brilliant people used to constitute the recruitment industry, however during the last few years, it has become a playground for under 25 no achievers, unintelligent , selfish individuals and more concerning downright self concerned liars to make a quick buck.

some of these individuals used to pursue careers in banking high end sales etc where that kind of aggression and willingness to do pretty much anything to succeed was masked and eventually swallowed up by a need for actual knowledge.

however with the onset of the downturn, these individuals turned to recruitment, and in most &quot;specialist&quot; areas such as technology, there is no real requirement to learn anything other than buzzwords meaning that the previous focus required for a sales hungry grad to have to learn about accounting and gain a CPA or ACA qualification is.... gone.

and thus all that remains is the willingness to say anything you must, to whoever you must without understanding anything to make a placement.

the terribly sad thing is, especially for the UK, is that all this will cause is a talent exodus of those internationally mobile, high end IT professionals who are tired of the industry going the way it is.

because so much economic activity in England is focused in London, it becomes a hotbed, as opposed to the spread of this kind of recruitment activity in a large spread area, such as the USA.

the only real way to fix this is to do something about the next up and coming generation of young people, and give the oppotunities to gain access to the industries they really want to work in via direct talent enagagement, with a truly wide talent pool, instead of focussing on just the oxbridge cream.

if this doesnt get done, there will be a nation of salespeople and recruiters in the UK and a VERY small talent pool of IT, Finance and Healthcare professionals indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having been on both sides of the table, (i.e the client side being slung millions of CVs that an agency hopes will stick and actually the one doing the slinging)and taking the time out of my life to complete a computer science degree, only to find that i had no access to computing jobs in the UK, due to the recruitment &#8220;profession&#8221;. Then deciding to jump in to this industry, (to find out how any group of people could live in such a warped existence to behave the way they do) i can honestly say the state recruiters live in is partially due to the recession.</p>
<p>in reality, a number of brilliant people used to constitute the recruitment industry, however during the last few years, it has become a playground for under 25 no achievers, unintelligent , selfish individuals and more concerning downright self concerned liars to make a quick buck.</p>
<p>some of these individuals used to pursue careers in banking high end sales etc where that kind of aggression and willingness to do pretty much anything to succeed was masked and eventually swallowed up by a need for actual knowledge.</p>
<p>however with the onset of the downturn, these individuals turned to recruitment, and in most &#8220;specialist&#8221; areas such as technology, there is no real requirement to learn anything other than buzzwords meaning that the previous focus required for a sales hungry grad to have to learn about accounting and gain a CPA or ACA qualification is&#8230;. gone.</p>
<p>and thus all that remains is the willingness to say anything you must, to whoever you must without understanding anything to make a placement.</p>
<p>the terribly sad thing is, especially for the UK, is that all this will cause is a talent exodus of those internationally mobile, high end IT professionals who are tired of the industry going the way it is.</p>
<p>because so much economic activity in England is focused in London, it becomes a hotbed, as opposed to the spread of this kind of recruitment activity in a large spread area, such as the USA.</p>
<p>the only real way to fix this is to do something about the next up and coming generation of young people, and give the oppotunities to gain access to the industries they really want to work in via direct talent enagagement, with a truly wide talent pool, instead of focussing on just the oxbridge cream.</p>
<p>if this doesnt get done, there will be a nation of salespeople and recruiters in the UK and a VERY small talent pool of IT, Finance and Healthcare professionals indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Another year, even more hate for recruiters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another year, even more hate for recruiters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Prashant Joshi</title>
		<link>http://recruitmentdad.com/the-real-reason-hr-hate-recruiters-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-190</link>
		<dc:creator>Prashant Joshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I have been running a placement agency for just about 4 months now So,you will have to excuse a silly query. i am finding it difficult to understand whether these Hr guys are also into poaching from the placement agency.
What i mean is that, they can interview a candidate reject him and later recall the person,which would spell doom for the recruiter in both the cases where he is charging the candidate or the company, he has lost in both situations and this could have happened because of a handshake between the Internals and the Interviewee, thus edging out the recruiter and saving money .This situation is more relevant to India and I request you for some tips on how this can be plugged.This could happen in spite of an empaneling with the Company.  Regards Prashant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I have been running a placement agency for just about 4 months now So,you will have to excuse a silly query. i am finding it difficult to understand whether these Hr guys are also into poaching from the placement agency.<br />
What i mean is that, they can interview a candidate reject him and later recall the person,which would spell doom for the recruiter in both the cases where he is charging the candidate or the company, he has lost in both situations and this could have happened because of a handshake between the Internals and the Interviewee, thus edging out the recruiter and saving money .This situation is more relevant to India and I request you for some tips on how this can be plugged.This could happen in spite of an empaneling with the Company.  Regards Prashant</p>
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		<title>By: RecruitmentDad</title>
		<link>http://recruitmentdad.com/the-real-reason-hr-hate-recruiters-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>RecruitmentDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David, Thanks for your comments and contribution. Unfortunately, I think that there are quite a number of poor practitioners in the industry and I wonder what steps could be taken to regulate it more stringently. If you were to give any advice to those out there seeking to succeed what would it be?
I would point out that although recruiters are looking out for themselves, if the client is not happy they get nothing so your happiness creates their happiness, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, Thanks for your comments and contribution. Unfortunately, I think that there are quite a number of poor practitioners in the industry and I wonder what steps could be taken to regulate it more stringently. If you were to give any advice to those out there seeking to succeed what would it be?<br />
I would point out that although recruiters are looking out for themselves, if the client is not happy they get nothing so your happiness creates their happiness, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: RecruitmentDad</title>
		<link>http://recruitmentdad.com/the-real-reason-hr-hate-recruiters-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>RecruitmentDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James. Your point about sales call volumes and speculative CV submission is another reason that adds fuel to the fire. I read recently that the average HR professional receives, on average, 23 unsolicited sales calls from recruiters every week (in the UK). 23! even if each was 2 mins that is a fair amount of time saying thanks but no thanks! Add to that the unsolicited emails (delete) and it paints a tough environment for a good consultant to stand out in. As an internal recruitment manager, what approaches work best from recruiters that would convince you to give them a few minutes of your time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James. Your point about sales call volumes and speculative CV submission is another reason that adds fuel to the fire. I read recently that the average HR professional receives, on average, 23 unsolicited sales calls from recruiters every week (in the UK). 23! even if each was 2 mins that is a fair amount of time saying thanks but no thanks! Add to that the unsolicited emails (delete) and it paints a tough environment for a good consultant to stand out in. As an internal recruitment manager, what approaches work best from recruiters that would convince you to give them a few minutes of your time?</p>
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		<title>By: RecruitmentDad</title>
		<link>http://recruitmentdad.com/the-real-reason-hr-hate-recruiters-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>RecruitmentDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Patty. Going behind HR&#039;s back is likely to lead to trouble. Agreeing not to talk to line managers could also cause potential issues too though...My preference is to counsel the HR professional in the benefits to them (individually and their organisation) to allowing me to have access to the relevant hiring manager, when appropriate. Appropriate for me? Interview preparation of the client, delivering candidate feedback and to clarify technical and cultural aspects of the role. Thanks for posting and trust you&#039;ve subscribed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Patty. Going behind HR&#8217;s back is likely to lead to trouble. Agreeing not to talk to line managers could also cause potential issues too though&#8230;My preference is to counsel the HR professional in the benefits to them (individually and their organisation) to allowing me to have access to the relevant hiring manager, when appropriate. Appropriate for me? Interview preparation of the client, delivering candidate feedback and to clarify technical and cultural aspects of the role. Thanks for posting and trust you&#8217;ve subscribed!</p>
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		<title>By: RecruitmentDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>RecruitmentDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the recruitment industry Sravanthi and I wish you every success. Clearly, if you become a regular reader here at Recruitment Dad you should do well ;) Not all consultants are the same and what you say at the end is one of the biggest problems new starters in our industry face - overcoming the reputation the industry has based upon nothing they themselves have done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the recruitment industry Sravanthi and I wish you every success. Clearly, if you become a regular reader here at Recruitment Dad you should do well <img src='http://recruitmentdad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Not all consultants are the same and what you say at the end is one of the biggest problems new starters in our industry face &#8211; overcoming the reputation the industry has based upon nothing they themselves have done!</p>
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		<title>By: RecruitmentDad</title>
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		<dc:creator>RecruitmentDad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cathy, seems to me you are one of the few who can help change that reputation! I agree with your assessment as well about the way many recruitment companies drive the sales part of their business compared to their service side has developed a poor reputation among HR professionals. HR dislike being sold to as much as anyone else does - they just seem to receive more than their fair share!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cathy, seems to me you are one of the few who can help change that reputation! I agree with your assessment as well about the way many recruitment companies drive the sales part of their business compared to their service side has developed a poor reputation among HR professionals. HR dislike being sold to as much as anyone else does &#8211; they just seem to receive more than their fair share!</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 23 years in recruitment, I think some HR Managers are a bit confused by me because I have been at this job for so long that I don&#039;t try to blind side them. I just do what I&#039;m best at: Listen, consult, deliver. My problem is that they are so used to fending off high sell, low delivery recruitment consultants that I get tarred with the same brush by default. And that really annoys me, because I truly can give them simple quick results without the sales pitch. When I consult with a company, I &quot;become&quot; their in-house recruiter. In effect, I think the hard way in which the recruitment industry drives for results and numbers, effectively being a sales rather than professional services industry, detracts from the vallue we add to our clients. I can understand why HR people dislike this kind of recruitment. I do too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 23 years in recruitment, I think some HR Managers are a bit confused by me because I have been at this job for so long that I don&#8217;t try to blind side them. I just do what I&#8217;m best at: Listen, consult, deliver. My problem is that they are so used to fending off high sell, low delivery recruitment consultants that I get tarred with the same brush by default. And that really annoys me, because I truly can give them simple quick results without the sales pitch. When I consult with a company, I &#8220;become&#8221; their in-house recruiter. In effect, I think the hard way in which the recruitment industry drives for results and numbers, effectively being a sales rather than professional services industry, detracts from the vallue we add to our clients. I can understand why HR people dislike this kind of recruitment. I do too.</p>
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